Thoughts on Gear and GAS

Tankman

Subtly not giving a F*ck
#61
New thought. Is it possible to have a GAS burnout? Or a Gear burnout?

I've noticed that my free time has been focused mostly on other hobbies lately. I still play guitar with my band, and I really enjoy it, but I don't touch my music gear at home at all. When I come home from band practice I throw my stuff in a corner of the room. By the next band practice, it's still there, untouched. I've also noticed when browsing on my tablet, I open the Reverb app and within 5 seconds I think 'I don't care about this' and close it whereas I used to be able to browse for hours on end, even if I didn't need anything. Same goes for Guitar related YouTube channels, websites and magazines. I just don't care at the moment.

I still enjoy talking about gear with friends. I like hearing how people do things, but other than that, I don't actively do anything with gear at the moment. So I think I have kind of a gear burn out. I'm happy with what I have. I don't seem to care about upgrading anything. The only change is that I liked the sound of the strat single coils with the band, so I am installing a push pull in my purple single humbucker strat to still be able to play that guitar, but have the extra sound.

Does anybody relate to this?
 

Chu

Well-Known Member
#62
New thought. Is it possible to have a GAS burnout? Or a Gear burnout?

I've noticed that my free time has been focused mostly on other hobbies lately. I still play guitar with my band, and I really enjoy it, but I don't touch my music gear at home at all. When I come home from band practice I throw my stuff in a corner of the room. By the next band practice, it's still there, untouched. I've also noticed when browsing on my tablet, I open the Reverb app and within 5 seconds I think 'I don't care about this' and close it whereas I used to be able to browse for hours on end, even if I didn't need anything. Same goes for Guitar related YouTube channels, websites and magazines. I just don't care at the moment.

I still enjoy talking about gear with friends. I like hearing how people do things, but other than that, I don't actively do anything with gear at the moment. So I think I have kind of a gear burn out. I'm happy with what I have. I don't seem to care about upgrading anything. The only change is that I liked the sound of the strat single coils with the band, so I am installing a push pull in my purple single humbucker strat to still be able to play that guitar, but have the extra sound.

Does anybody relate to this?
I relate entirely.

I think that without the focus of a band, the hobby becomes just as much about GAS, the drive to fault your current rig and to create solutions to your perceived weaknesses. But in a band, you learn that no one ever gives a shit about your amazing new analogue delay pedal but you, however they certainly notice if you haven't worked on the songs.

It's gotten to the point that looking at gear as a speculative purchase makes me feel rather annoyed. I love seeing other people's new stuff on here, but when I see reviews in magazines or online I'm a little repelled and think it's just a load of boring specs that have nothing to with me.

I think it's fair to say that in my position, gear is just a tool. It might be a brilliant, beautiful tool but the real passion is playing music. Chasing after bedroom tone nirvana just isn't relevant, I'll happily work on an acoustic or an unplugged electric when writing and practicing. I have forced myself to always set my gear up again at the earliest opportunity; buying a second of every cable and AC/DC adaptors needed for band practices helps so that they're sat in place at home speeds it up massively. But I'm not really that fussed about using it.

I think my mindset has driven me to conflict with others, when the ideals and theory become more important than actually playing. As much as i recognise everyone's right to do it their own way, just playing the damn thing should always be at the centre!
 

Tankman

Subtly not giving a F*ck
#63
@Chu couldn't agree more! I'm trying to explain this to my bassplayer. He's changing basses and amps like underwear and is always complaining that it's missing some inaudible detail. I told him just write down everything you want, find the gear that matches, buy it, play it and be happy.

With me, on the guitar side, it might be a result of me having custom made my dream guitars. These are the benchmark, and nothing comes close with a result that everything else is not good enough for me, resulting in me not caring.
 

Chu

Well-Known Member
#64
@Tankman I don't mean to piss on anyone's chips with what I say, everyone's entitled to their own rules.

But I think we all lose the point at some stage. I like it to HiFi enthusiasts. They buy high end speakers, turntable, amp and speaker cables. Then they start stressing about whether they need a special shielded kettle lead power cable to reduce interference to the amp (that's a real thing). When they put on Dark Side of the Moon, they don't lose themselves for 20 minutes instead analysing the linearity of the bass extension....

I went to someone's house recently and saw three high end HiFis in the lounge and despite wanting to mock, i realised that that is us, with our multiple guitars and Marshalls, focussing more about the tech than the purpose of it.

So there's nothing wrong with collecting guitars, or obsessing about gear. I think it's easy to do as we can mull it over at work, look at stuff online whilst away from home and spend more time doing so than actually playing. But sometimes we need a slap to remind us that it's usually not as important as we've come to believe.
 

mirage2101

Well-Known Member
#65
I’m in this two ways. I realize gear isn’t going to make me play better. But it is part of the fun to experiment with sounds and see what twisting this or that knob does. Or that next amp or profile or whatever.

On the flip side, at some point good enough is good enough. I love my fender and I haven’t found any better guitar. That is the benchmark. I used to have an amp for years and years and never even considered replacing it. But now I’ve gone down the rabbit hole I want to find my new good enough.
In all honesty if I’d play a mex strat through a katana I’d be fine too. But it’s just more fun to see what’s out there. I’d like to try a les Paul and a tele. I’d like to try a Friedman.

For me guitars and amps are toys, not tools. I’m not a professional musician.

That hifi set you mention. (I have regular cables) but I got to a point where I said ok more expensive isn’t worth it to me. I let go and just enjoyed the music.

I used to get new computer parts every three months when that was my hobby. Now I just want the damn thing to work.

So I can see reaching a point where I just want to play guitar.

But I’ll find the next thing to spend money on ;)
 

Chu

Well-Known Member
#66
For me guitars and amps are toys, not tools. I’m not a professional musician.
I use the word 'tools' loosely. I'm just trying to justify that GAS isn't really about playing guitar, it's also about the fun of buying a new toy, being a collector or whatever. I think it's healthier to accept that than to fall into the belief that you really need something for the benefit of your playing; same as that special power cable for your HiFi.
 

mirage2101

Well-Known Member
#67
I use the word 'tools' loosely. I'm just trying to justify that GAS isn't really about playing guitar, it's also about the fun of buying a new toy, being a collector or whatever. I think it's healthier to accept that than to fall into the belief that you really need something for the benefit of your playing; same as that special power cable for your HiFi.
GAS isn’t about playing guitar is right.
Neither is the search for tone. But it can be fun in itself.
The chase is better than the catch.
 

DrJazztap

Well-Known Member
#68
I've got to the point where I really don't care anymore tbh. I want to start practicing again, and chances are I'll be doing teaching informally shortly so that will inspire me. I genuinely miss the thrill of learning something new.
I think it's my 25th or 26th year of playing this year, I don't reallly hanker after anything new. I have some lovely guitars and a great amp, I've always been a pedal guy though.
 

Tankman

Subtly not giving a F*ck
#69
I played a strat with 3 single coils during the last band practice where I usually play a strat with one contemporary humbucker. Yes, the sound was slightly different, but it was nuances. I still sounded like me. This makes me care even less at the moment. I'm sticking to my rig and not changing a thing. Not that I was planning differently anyway.
 
#70
I think there's a big difference in intent between - say - getting 25 Strats in all different colours, and getting 25 different guitars that all do different jobs. Both are equally valid cases of advanced GAS, but the resulting collections have very divergent purposes.

I remember when I got about my 8th or 9th guitar my mother went "Why do you need so many guitars?" and in one of the few instances in my life where I've come out with a really good rejoinder on the spot (as opposed to my usual tactic of going "Ahh shit, I wish I'd said..." about 2 hours later) I said "If I was a painter, you wouldn't ask me 'why do you need so many different colours', would you?"

I'm up to about 25 now, but they're all different - 6-, 7-, 8-, 10- and 12-string guitars, 4- and 7-string basses; these made up of electrics, semi-acoustics, steel-string acoustics and a classical, different tunings, fretted & fretless...they all do different jobs and give very different sounds, and make me play and (crucially) think differently depending on what instrument I'm currently playing. There's a big difference in how I feel & think playing a big fat jazz guitar to a 7-string scalloped Floyd Rose speed machine, or a 10-string classical, or a 7-string fretless bass, or a Tele, or a...you get the idea.
 
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DrJazztap

Well-Known Member
#71
I understand the mentality of having different guitars for different purposes. I had a jap tokai 335 copy, an incredible guitar. I thought i needed it, to have it in my arsenal.
I was scared to gig it as was so delicate. And though i could only get certain sounds from that particular guitar, I did the sensible thing and moved it on.

We are very enabling bunch, and a lot can be said for concentrating on just one guitar. For some reason I have an affinity for Strats, I have two atm and could quite easily get another (looking at you custom shop heavy relic CAR strat). I never used to gig strats, they lacked the beef for me personally. But when I think of the electric guitar it's a strat (and a neck pickup on a strat is the sound!).

My head is telling me to shift the daphne blue strat with the solid rosewoood neck and keep the partsacaster.
 

Tankman

Subtly not giving a F*ck
#72
A strange new development...My wife values my emotional attachment to my guitars more than I do. I mentioned to her that I am considering selling my Ibanez K-7 so I can buy a Fender Jim Root Signature Jazzmaster when it comes out in white. She almost got angry at me for even thinking about it. As a backstory, I had posters of Head & Munky with the K-7 in my room even before I started playing electric guitar and I always wanted one, but it was too expensive for 15-year old me and they were not available in my area at the time. Fast forward to 2015, I come across a mint condition used K-7 in the color I want and they guy accepted my offer to trade a MIJ Tokai Les Paul for it. So after years and years of dreaming, it became reality. The downside is, that I no longer played metal and I no longer played 7-string so the guitar is hanging on the wall like a trophy. Sometimes I will grab it and play some Korn tunes on it, but that's it. This does not match my current thoughts on Gear.

When it comes to my guitars, they really do have emotional value to me. I have the two custom made guitars. One is really a product of my imagination and the other is a freakin' purple strat which is my main band guitar. It's built to take a beating. I chose a matte finish so It can get roadworn quickly etc. Then there's the PRS Tremonti SE which I got as a gift from my parents in 2005 when I finished High School. It was my first good guitar. It was also stolen from my apartment once and I actually found it back in a pawn shop. A police detective helped me by confiscating it. They gave it back to me some time later. I don't think my Acoustic, which is an Ibanez Parlor, has any emotional value to me, but it's a unique piece in Europe and I got it due to a happy accident. It's my only Acoustic and I haven't played any others that I like more than this one, so it's not going anywhere. Those are the guitars.

I have one pedal with some sort of emotional value, because it was gifted to me. Other than that, when it comes to pedal and amps, I really just see them as tools. I can just as easily do without them and get something else. My HotRod has been in the recording studio since April, so I haven't been able to use it with the band since. I don't miss it. I use whatever amp is available. That's also the reason I went from using amp gain to pedal gain. So I can do just that. This leads me to believe that I can just get rid of the HotRod and use that money to get something else. I also own an Orange Jim Root Terror which I bought at a great deal last year after regretting selling the one I had a few years ago. It's become our main sound for our upcoming EP so that one is not going anywhere. I also own a 1x12 cabinet that's also at the studio, so I keep forgetting that I own it.

I've been considering buying anniversary pedals as an investment. I own the Boss DS-1 40th and am considering getting the Ibanez TS808 40th. Those are pretty much a sure thing to go up in value eventually. I just need to get myself to accept the loss I'm taking now to essentially buy nothing, because I will not even open the box if I buy them.

That's it for now. Just voicing my thoughts. I'm not sure if my rambling makes any sense, but it's out now.
 
#73
I understand the mentality of having different guitars for different purposes. I had a jap tokai 335 copy, an incredible guitar. I thought i needed it, to have it in my arsenal.
I was scared to gig it as was so delicate. And though i could only get certain sounds from that particular guitar, I did the sensible thing and moved it on.

We are very enabling bunch, and a lot can be said for concentrating on just one guitar. For some reason I have an affinity for Strats, I have two atm and could quite easily get another (looking at you custom shop heavy relic CAR strat). I never used to gig strats, they lacked the beef for me personally. But when I think of the electric guitar it's a strat (and a neck pickup on a strat is the sound!).

My head is telling me to shift the daphne blue strat with the solid rosewoood neck and keep the partsacaster.
I’ve been eying that exact strat; the Daphne blue with rosewood neck.

I actually passed on it and grabbed a guitar about 600$ cheaper and so far I’m happy with it. I’m still in my return period and it crosses my mind.

I think that’s a gorgeous guitar though. I am deliberately looking outside of my normal paradigm.

As far as the thread goes: I’m a bad collector. If don’t actively use it, it won’t stay for long. I put my gear through a lot and I keep stuff that gets retired and I am sentimental about. As far as work goes, I actively use 4 amps and 4 guitars (5 counting any acoustic stuff I do).

I still use a pedal board but I cut it back and I dumped 11 pedals so far this year. I don’t see myself ever replacing them.

I was a really bad pedal shopper: I just kept buying stuff I not only didn’t need, but actually started to annoy and distract me.

I love my strat but it’s been through a lot and I want to preserve it now. I will get another Strat before too long.
 
#74
I had my POD X3 live since 2008 until this year. The only thing that went wrong was sometimes it wouldn't switch on; this was caused by a faulty on/off switch, an electrician friend soldered it into always-on and it was fine since then. I gave it to a friend's 13 year old son and he's exceptionally happy with it.

It all started with the Mooer Radar.... I bought one, plugged it into the FX send from my POD X3 and the thing just exploded into new qualities of sound... So I set out to replace my favourite POD X3 settings with real pedals....

Mooer 5150
Mooer Radar
Mooer PreAmp Live
BOSS MetalZone
BOSS DM-2w Digital Delay
BOSS CE-2w Chorus
BOSS GE-7 Equaliser
TS-808
Maxon RTO700 - Real Tube Preamp.
BOSS ES-8 with v2 firmware for STEREO mode

Now I'm literally in Becky heaven; sadly I'm not in circumstances I can own a amp, cos I need to keep the DB levels down a bit... but if that changes....

2x12 Marshal Greenback 50W Cab
25+25W dual channel class a/b EL34 power amp.... GIMME! (p.s. any amp manufacturers reading...... make this please!)

Also considering doing a 12AX7 mod to my metal zone.... just need a crash course in electronics. But stereo with the screamer driven RTO-700 it just adds that extra layer of bark that makes me drool.

As for GAS, don't care for it, I don't do shame/regret/guilt. Planning to keep this gear for another 10 years and making the most of it.
 
#76
would the current/ voltage/ MAH from the MZ be enough to do anything other than make the valve light up?
Yeah it'd definitely need to be up rated to draw about 500ma instead of 50ma - and most of that would be for the heaters. And maybe increased to 12V for more headroom on the 12AX7.

But from what I've read online, if the plate is +1V bias, you can run a 12AX7 amplification circuit at line levels with mA current draw.
 

johnniegoat

Stop, don’t, come back.
#77
given the risk, would it not be better to get a drive/ pre amp with the valve already built in?

Victory make a good one that will give you all the gain you need
 
#78
given the risk, would it not be better to get a drive/ pre amp with the valve already built in?
yeah, I have an RTO700. It's actually funny when I first got the RTO700, the MT2 was the baseline tone I was trying to get to with the tube pedal.... then i turned up all the RTO's dials to 3pm and pushed it with a screamer with dials at 3pm... WOW the 5150 became the new baseline. Surpassed the MT2 by a mile.

Tube Modding the MT2 would just for the lulz :cool:
 
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