Thoughts on Gear and GAS

Remy

Middle Aged Newb
#42
Sooooo, it got worse.
I went and played with a Headrush, since they don't have the small units in stock around here and I would have to order. I figured I'd at least try the sound from the other brand. That got me thinking, why give up all the amp sims and such? Sure, I like having the actual amp there but probably half the time I'd rather play something else. Maybe in ten years I'll have the selection of actual amps, but by then I'll have half a dozen more I want on hand too... So now I'm thinking, Stomp? Hmmm, 6 blocks, lose at least one to amp sim, probably one for the fx loop out, what am I saving by the time I'm done? Sure, lots of flexibility, but when I break down my signal chain this just isn't working out well and I see a dozen areas I'll want to add something now and then that will require additional buys... Pedal board is getting big, which defeats the purpose.
So I get "smart" and do the rational thing. I make a list of what I want in a setup, what I NEED in a setup, and what I expect I will want later and how I really expect to use the whole setup. Forget one piece, the whole setup from the guitar out to sound hitting my ears. Turns out a Helix LT (being realistic, a regular model would be great but unnecessary) was the right choice. The small headrush would have worked for 90% of it with one big flaw. I just didn't like the big one and the selection of amps and effects didn't do it for me. If I'm going that route those are a huge part of the decision and Helix won for me. So, the Helix replaces my whole board and will be used multiple ways. Direct to DAW, direct to desktop monitors, direct to headphones, to return loop of Micro Dark and then on to the fairly neutral Bugera 1x12. Then there's also using it just as a pedal board going into either the front or effects loop of the Micro Dark. I need to buy a GOOD set of headphones designed for loud use but fairly flat so my rigs don't need messed with.

I thought I'd get rid of the Micro Dark and cab, but unless I buy a seriously high end FRFR speaker I'm not gaining anything I care about and I'm giving up the actual amp and cab. There's a reason I just got those. Yeah, the Mandarin 80 does a damn good job making me think I'm playing through an Orange amp, and a good FRFR will give me the room filling sound, but I'm just enough of a traditionalist to not go 100% that way. Besides, Micro Dark + Bugera is a LOT cheaper than an FRFR that sounds as good. If I decide to add one later great, but giving up those two items for the modest cash return. Sure, I could get an Alto TS212 or JBL Eon 610, but is it going to sound better? I'm ok having two rigs, one eq'd for recording (rare) and one for playing through the Bugera. I think that 90% of the time I'll use it with the amp and cab through the return, using amp but not cab sim. I'll continue to use Bias through the desktop monitors when at my desk and playing at more moderate volumes. Cab sim is less of a thing for me than amp, since most of the time I go for the same general feel there and some informal testing showed me that the Bugera does color up nicely in both directions, I'd just have to tweak the EQ if I wanted it to sound like the REAL thing. Getting different flavors for listening enjoyment is fast and easy if I do want some variety there.

So, yeah, what was going to be a multi-fx addition to a pedal board kinda grew, but so far I'm pretty happy with it.
 

Tankman

Subtly not giving a F*ck
#43
@Remy you just gave me a headache.... I thought I was bad. :bounce:

As for myself...I just ordered me an HX Effects after selling most of my pedalboard in one go last week. I'm only keeping my Wah, tuner and distortion. My delay I'm also keeping, but probably won't be on my board. It has sentimental value.

I had a really hard time getting used to the idea of a multi effects unit. I still think just using pedals is a lot easier, especially when it comes to dialing in your sound. I was always able to get away with exchanging one pedal for another. I wanted more modulation, but I could live with just a phaser and a chorus. The moment I was able to switch my mindset is when I started thinking I wanted a transparent overdrive pedal. My options were all quite expensive and would require another overhaul of my board to make it all fit. I decided it's just stupid to keep buying pedals that might get used for a small part of one song. I can't justify spending the money on that. If I used a multi effects unit all the options would be there. I would not have to compromise. From there on out it was a matter of finding the right unit for me. The HX Effects was always the frontrunner, but I always check other options as well. I even tried the big Helix, but that's just too much for me. I don't need all the extra options.
 

Tankman

Subtly not giving a F*ck
#45
I like to think that when it comes to pedals I actually look at what I need and what the songs we write with the band ask for. Our music is quite diverse, which makes my needs very divers, thus forcing to make a change in how I think about multi fx vs. regular pedals.
 

Remy

Middle Aged Newb
#46
For me it comes down to "can I get close enough to the sound in my head that I'm happy with it the next day?" Sure, right that second maybe I'm not able to get EXACTLY what I hear in my head, but that's true with pedals too. I just looked at the growing list and decided to cut it off before it got rolling. I may keep my Ethereal, but the Sovereign, as much as I love it, is gone. I can't quite replicate that sound but I can make that sound well enough that if I'm not doing an A/B I'm good. It's the end result not the exact pedal and my hiccup was that the eq on the effects options didn't match up right. Hmmm, easy enough to fix with a snapshot. The Ethereal's a bit different and I need to do some more testing, but I am tempted to keep it because if I want to just use the amp into the cab and could have ONE pedal.... I could just leave it double stick taped to the side of the amp for all I care. The micro dark and that pedal covers the majority of what I like, amazing how big a range that little amp has.

I'm just cracking the surface so far with the Helix. Haven't even touched snap shots or real EQ stuff. I haven't even tried all the boosts, OD and distortions. I did do a quick test through a clean amp (sim) with them just to get a general impression, but I didn't do any real fine tuning or eq adjustments or see how they respond to different gain levels on the amp. That's for this week as I dial in some rigs and figure out snap shots.

Oh, before I forget, since this IS a GAS thread. Yeah, the Epi Les Paul they had sitting next to the Headrush was really nice. Best neck I've felt on an Epi so far... Used, only $350... lol I managed to resist though.
 

Tankman

Subtly not giving a F*ck
#49
I have the same dream and no budget to make it a reality which is why I bought the Jim Root Terror head.


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I actually used to own one of those with the same idea in mind, but I can't pull off a single channel amp with my band. I am currently very happy with my solution of the Wampler Catapulp.
 

Tankman

Subtly not giving a F*ck
#50
The more I'm getting used to my new pedalboard situation, replacing most of my effects with the HX effects unit, the more I realise that my GAS was not for a particular pedal. I realise that I always just wanted everything at my disposal so that when I have a crazy idea for a song, I can immediately dial in a sound and experiment with it and see if it works.

The thing that made me very uncomfortable was not being able to experiment or having to figure out what had to be taken off my board to be able to get the new effect and experiment only to find out it doesn't work and had to sell etc etc etc.

This really works for me and is giving me peace of mind.
 

Remy

Middle Aged Newb
#51
@Tankman That's almost exactly where I was at in thought process. It's why I went from a little Orange Crush model to a modeler right away when I started. I realized that I was going to want to experiment, if only to relieve boredom while I played the same things over and over learning. I didn't know what I was going to like, I still change that regularly. I know I like the Orange sound, but not ALL the time. In fact I'm leaning toward Fender cleans for my base sound. If I had tried to go traditional I'd drive myself nuts buying and selling stuff. The Helix really seems to have fixed that for me. My mind is going toward options for the output. Do I buy a neutral tone power amp and some flat speakers? Do I buy a couple good PA units? If I go the PA route, do I do individual powered units or a board and unpowered? You get the idea. On the other hand, I'm in no rush and can experiment with tones to my heart's content with no additional costs.

I had been pricing out just my initial ideas for a board and then started thinking about all the stuff I'd want to try... by the time I get past what I figured was the next six months the Helix was a bargain and huge time saver.
 

Tankman

Subtly not giving a F*ck
#52
@Tankman That's almost exactly where I was at in thought process. It's why I went from a little Orange Crush model to a modeler right away when I started. I realized that I was going to want to experiment, if only to relieve boredom while I played the same things over and over learning. I didn't know what I was going to like, I still change that regularly. I know I like the Orange sound, but not ALL the time. In fact I'm leaning toward Fender cleans for my base sound. If I had tried to go traditional I'd drive myself nuts buying and selling stuff. The Helix really seems to have fixed that for me. My mind is going toward options for the output. Do I buy a neutral tone power amp and some flat speakers? Do I buy a couple good PA units? If I go the PA route, do I do individual powered units or a board and unpowered? You get the idea. On the other hand, I'm in no rush and can experiment with tones to my heart's content with no additional costs.

I had been pricing out just my initial ideas for a board and then started thinking about all the stuff I'd want to try... by the time I get past what I figured was the next six months the Helix was a bargain and huge time saver.
Funny. I use a Fender Clean amp with a pedal that sounds like a damn dirty Orange as my base sound. Best of both worlds.

I always sort of knew a modeler was the way to go, but up until the HX I could never find one (or the patience) that was easy enough to program and work with.
 

Remy

Middle Aged Newb
#53
Yeah, it can get amusing sometimes. One of the first rigs I setup was with the Mandarin 80 amp model and the matching cab emulation. I was then running that through the return of my ORANGE Micro Dark. I had to do some eq fiddling to get the cab emulation to work out since my Bugera isn't actually FR, but the Micro Dark's power amp side is really clean and flat. So I went to a lot of effort to put the Orange back in there after completely bypassing it. :)
 

bad alice

Easily distracted and...OHLOOKAGUITAR!!!
#54
To continue a conversation about motivations to buy gear on another thread...
Suzy I know I've asked already but I forgot and I can't be bothered to find my way back through my all posts. Why are you selling everything all the time? Your worst than sparrowblade for gear turnover at the moment ;);)
That’s a good question cuz yep, I go through a LOT of gear.
The short answer is...I really enjoy the whole buying/selling and trading process!
I think part of that is geography; I live in a small town not far from Glasgow and our local FB page has led me to meeting some terrific folk and making new friends as a consequence. In Helensburgh alone, there’s now a wee group of 4 of us - all in our 40s/50s who all played in bands when we were younger and we’re all now able to buy the guitars we wished we could’ve then! We have a Messenger group, pop round to each other’s all the time to jam, celebrate NGDs and we loan each other gear all the time too (I had a luscious Gibson Custom Shop LP Standard at mine for a week a month ago as one of the guys was going on holiday and suggested I hang onto it while he was abroad) as well as talk about GAS and the share info/YT/links about the bands who influence us and our icons etc etc - it’s a wonderful part of my life and something I never expected to have.
The other side of it is that I know gear prices etc well enough to buy something out of curiosity, have it at home for a while - a completely different experience from trying something in a shop - and then part with it when something else that tickles my fancy comes along and I’ve been extremely fortunate in that, if memory serves, I don’t think I’ve lost cash doing this...so far anyway! I have a self imposed one-in-one-out rule in place now and that does mean I’m getting short of options on the guitar front as I can’t see any of my 3 Strats or my Casino going anywhere. And SG is defo here for a while too. But who knows what the future brings? *rubs hands and grins*:)
The last part of the picture is that, as you know, I love modding guitars or getting them refinished. For me a guitar project that lasts a few months is a few months of having that to *escape* to in my head if I’m stressed out at work or life stuff is being difficult, so as @Chu adroitly observed a while ago, in this respect the journey of a guitar mod is definitely as important as the destination. And sometimes more so!
<reads back what’s she’s written>
So much for the short version:D
Let me try again;
In short, there is no anxiety, financial problems or anything even remotely bad behind my gear turnover
I love it. And long may it continue...
:)
 

drittal

Nerd on the Prairie
#55
To continue a conversation about motivations to buy gear on another thread...

That’s a good question cuz yep, I go through a LOT of gear.
The short answer is...I really enjoy the whole buying/selling and trading process!
I think part of that is geography; I live in a small town not far from Glasgow and our local FB page has led me to meeting some terrific folk and making new friends as a consequence. In Helensburgh alone, there’s now a wee group of 4 of us - all in our 40s/50s who all played in bands when we were younger and we’re all now able to buy the guitars we wished we could’ve then! We have a Messenger group, pop round to each other’s all the time to jam, celebrate NGDs and we loan each other gear all the time too (I had a luscious Gibson Custom Shop LP Standard at mine for a week a month ago as one of the guys was going on holiday and suggested I hang onto it while he was abroad) as well as talk about GAS and the share info/YT/links about the bands who influence us and our icons etc etc - it’s a wonderful part of my life and something I never expected to have.
The other side of it is that I know gear prices etc well enough to buy something out of curiosity, have it at home for a while - a completely different experience from trying something in a shop - and then part with it when something else that tickles my fancy comes along and I’ve been extremely fortunate in that, if memory serves, I don’t think I’ve lost cash doing this...so far anyway! I have a self imposed one-in-one-out rule in place now and that does mean I’m getting short of options on the guitar front as I can’t see any of my 3 Strats or my Casino going anywhere. And SG is defo here for a while too. But who knows what the future brings? *rubs hands and grins*:)
The last part of the picture is that, as you know, I love modding guitars or getting them refinished. For me a guitar project that lasts a few months is a few months of having that to *escape* to in my head if I’m stressed out at work or life stuff is being difficult, so as @Chu adroitly observed a while ago, in this respect the journey of a guitar mod is definitely as important as the destination. And sometimes more so!

So much for the short version:D
Let me try again;
In short, there is no anxiety, financial problems or anything even remotely bad behind my gear turnover
I love it. And long may it continue...
:)
Our lead guitar player asked if everything was ok because I have been selling so much gear lately.

You need to sell 3 good things to pay for one great thing.


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Tankman

Subtly not giving a F*ck
#56
Honestly, since getting the HX Effects and my purple strat, I have no need for any new gear. Everything I've tried since was cool, but I quickly went back to the HX and the purple strat.

BUT, as @bad alice also mentioned, I also really like shopping for new gear, getting rid of old unused gear, getting new stuff etc. If you can get gear at a great deal, it only adds to the fun. It does get harder for me to do so these days, because I really don't need anything. Sometimes I think I might buy a pedal just for recording, but I record in my bass player's studio, and he has loads of pedals and he usually has the ones I need, so why bother.

Guitarwise, I also have a one in, one out policy. The out part is getting harder as I have some pieces now that I will never sell because of sentimental value. I have my PRS Tremonti which I got from my parents for graduating High School, which was ones stolen out of my apartment and then found in a pawnshop. That's too amazing of a story to ever get rid of, plus my parents would be fuming if I did. There's the Ibanez K-7 which is my trophy. It shows that if you want something bad enough and have the patience, you can get it. I wanted that guitar for 15 years before I found one at a time that I could afford one. Never going, and if I try, my wife would be fuming in this case. Then there's my two custom built guitars. The purple strat and the thinline tele. Thay are custom. That means very personal. Can't get rid of those.

That leaves my acoustic which is expendable, but It's great. I need an acoustic, and there's no other acoustic better than this one for the money. If I would get rid of it, it's to get an electric, but I need the acoustic for the band. So it's not going.

I did just sell a 5-string bass that I got last year, but ended up not playing it. I will probably not use the money for new gear in this case.

My current plans are:

  1. always keep an eye on the second hand market for great deals on pedals anyway. You never know.
  2. Not buy any new guitars until my band is gigging regularly. At that point, I might have a guitar built with the same specs as my purple strat as a backup. It might be the same strat in a different color. It might also be the same guitar in a different shape, like a jazzmaster.
Something that is useful for me to keep an eye on is great amps for studio use. In the band I use a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe with pedals. I also own an Orange Jim Root Terror, which usually ends up as the main tone for recording. This where the bass player's studio lacks as he only has 1 decent guitar amp. I would love to add some more small heads to my collection. These are fun to play around with at home and would add to our recorded sounds, as our bass player loves re-amping a lot.
 

mirage2101

Well-Known Member
#57
God I hate GAS..
It's that nagging voice in the back of my head that's always saying "there might be something better out there"

My strat is a given.. But I've been playing the gibson lately and maybe a PRS...

I came downstairs last night after playing and my wife mentioned she heard me playing. Not loud or anything.. But the volume wasn't high at all.. Certainly hard to get down in my current setup. So should I spend 1k for a waza tube expander? Or get a kemper? I've been avoiding it after the pod500.. But people do say it's great.. I would have to sell my other amps to finance it.. Even if it's just that I don't want to use more space for my stuff..

And all that while I have great gear with all the reasons to love it!
 

drittal

Nerd on the Prairie
#58
God I hate GAS..
It's that nagging voice in the back of my head that's always saying "there might be something better out there"

My strat is a given.. But I've been playing the gibson lately and maybe a PRS...

I came downstairs last night after playing and my wife mentioned she heard me playing. Not loud or anything.. But the volume wasn't high at all.. Certainly hard to get down in my current setup. So should I spend 1k for a waza tube expander? Or get a kemper? I've been avoiding it after the pod500.. But people do say it's great.. I would have to sell my other amps to finance it.. Even if it's just that I don't want to use more space for my stuff..

And all that while I have great gear with all the reasons to love it!




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bad alice

Easily distracted and...OHLOOKAGUITAR!!!
#59
Gear is awesome.
Playing, reading about, watching videos on, talking about, seeing new gear come out, modifying, buying, selling, trading?
I love ALL of it.
I thought hard a while back about selling my Strats and using the funds to buy one Fender Custom Shop Strat.
Y’know, the bucket list Strat, the *one* I’ve always I’ve assumed I’ve been building up to over all this time?
But...no.
At least, not now anyway.
I love that every one of my 3 Strats wouldn’t exist in their current form (or at all) if it wasn’t for me.
I’ve shaped, modded and designed them to be *right* for me and, as you can see in the Loxley thread I have running right now, that’s still an ongoing process.
Plus they’re all valued at a price point that doesn’t give me a heart attack at the thought of carrying one in a gig bag on public transport.
And, in this instance 3>1.
They give me variety, different tones and feel and crucially, different inspiration between them.
Maybe, MAYBE in nearly 5 years (when I’m 50) something Custom Shop level might happen.
But hell, that’s nearly 5 years of buying/selling/trading to go so I genuinely have no idea where I’ll be by then!
And I love that too...
:)
 

Felix

Addicted to Grunge
#60
For several years after joining these forums, I would often have a few guitars come in and out at a regular basis, but I would have one "main" guitar that I always kept around.

For me, I had wanted to get a Marshall Silver Jubilee since I was 18 in the late 90's , after my 6th form tutor let me play on his amp.

For the last couple of years, my Gibson Les Paul Classic Custom, has been the guitar I try and match in how much I like it. Eventually, I decided that I would just stick to a single guitar, as I don't think I can find one that would stop me playing on my LP. Early on in my ownership of my LP Classic Custom, I swapped out the chrome parts for gold parts and put in the same pups that the normal LP Custom had. As I've played on the £3000+ , I knew it was not going to be any different to how my Custom plays, sounds and looks from the front.

I don't know if it's because of the amount of time I would play in a week, but I've always found it difficult to play more than one guitar regularly. It took me 5 different Les Paul's until I found one that was totally perfect. I hope I will never sell my LP Custom, as it's able to play the type of music I enjoy, I've never felt the need to go tone chasing, as it's often expensive and a fools game unless you have the money to do so.

With FX pedals, I am again pretty stubborn, in that I only like Boss pedals. I did at one point have two sort after 80's pedals, but I realised that they were not different enough for the FX's to be doubled on my signal chain.

I was told many years ago, that if you own a guitar/gear that just by looking at, makes you want to play, then you've found the right one for you.
 
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